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From: [e-mail] (Don Allen)
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Subject: Dames Interview - 1/4
Date: 10 Aug 93 07:18:08 GMT
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NM MUFON NEWS
611 Lead SW, #918
Albuquerque, NM 87102

$12 yearly subscription for 12 issues.

Editor - Carolyn Duce-Ashe [phone]
Producer - Debby Stark [phone]

This interview is combined from issues #6 and #7, or June and July 1993.

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Exclusive:  TALKING TO ED DAMES

by Debby Stark

For several weeks I had been getting antsy that we were writing so much
about PSI TECH in Your Newsletter but not actually speaking to anyone from
that organization. At last I decided that the best thing was to write to Ed
Dames and ask him some questions since his business is located here in
town. On the afternoon of May 20 I composed a letter and I finished it at
5:30. I went out to the mail boxes at my apartment complex and discovered
that the mail was only just then being distributed; the replacement carrier
was very late so my letter could leave with him. That should have been my
first indication that Thursday had been exactly the right day to write that
letter.

Why? Your editor, Carolyn, called around noon the next day to say she had
heard from Mr. Dames in response to my letter and that rather than write
back, he hoped we could get together for a chat. In a short time we
arranged to meet on the following Monday, May 24.


The Interview and My Disclaimer


Carolyn and I asked if we could tape the conversation but Dames indicated
that he preferred we didn't. As it turned out, there was so much noise from
a live piano player and a fake waterfall in the Holiday Inn's lobby that
taping wouldn't have worked. So instead I am relying on copious short-hand
notes. Due to the wide-ranging nature of our conversation, I am breaking
this report into at least two parts and two issues: The Big Event, and
everything else.

I hope you have read Carolyn's PSI TECH report in the last two issues of
Your Newsletter and in UFO magazine (Vol. 8, #3). If you have, you already
have an inkling what the Big Event is all about. Basically, aliens are
coming to (or actually may already be in) New Mexico. This isn't called The
Land of Enchantment for nothing.

First, Dames warned us several times that while he was telling us what he
and PSI TECH have observed, in the end "They" (the aliens) are in charge of
everything. He said, "We think they're going to meet us more than half way,
but they have their own agenda, it's stupid to second guess them." I
understand that he mentioned to another researcher that if the Big Event
hasn't happened by the end of August he's getting out of the UFO busi-
ness. He reminded us that foremost he is a business man, and, while he has
been interested in UFOs for a long time, business comes first now. He
hinted that he might have an investor willing to pay for PSI TECH's
UFO-oriented work, one who will allow the information to become public
(which is why PSI TECH has kept the project in-house, so it won't become
someone's proprietary information).

Also, Dames explained that PSI TECH is "action oriented," but, fortunately,
"we keep getting the carrot," i.e., interesting things keep happening that
have sustained the employees interest.

The Big Event: A Summary

There are two sites involved. Site One is somewhere near Chaco Canyon, a
place of historic and prehistoric interest to many cultures. "They wanted
us there," Dames said, "far from the meeting ground," i.e., Site Two, "they
wanted to educate us." The implication for me was that "they" expect the
spirituality associated with Chaco to instill a certain awe in humans,
perhaps to help condition them. "It's a programmed approach... We need to
understand what we're dealing with before they land... They're not going to
land until we have a better understanding."



Dames is not doing this alone but has invited various researchers along to
Site One. Also, apparently the Aliens are looking for a "special person."
He didn't tell who this special person was, not even a hint other than that
it wasn't who we might think. What special person do you think aliens would
like to talk to?

He said we may not get "the hybrids" before August, but we will have an
indication of a landing before the end of August. It will be a "vanguard
colony" of perhaps 30.

Hybrids? you ask, your mind reeling.

Here's the story: Apparently some 150 million years ago the Martians were
living comfortably on Mars. A large celestial object of some sort
sideswiped the planet and sucked away part or all of the atmosphere. The
Martians must have foreseen this disaster because they built shelters
(pyramids), stocked them and moved in. Dames reminds us that pyramids have
been seen on Mars. (See the work of Richard Hoagland.) The Martians,
apparently hoping that the planet would regenerate its atmosphere over
time, remained in their pyramid/hibernation chambers. They ate all the food
and began to die; the population dwindled to 15%.

Then, "from out of the blue--or rather, out of the black" came space ships
to rescue them. These were from what Dames said at the TREAT V conference
they call "the Federation" because they are a federation of a dozen or so
different interstellar traveling races. Unfortunately things when wrong.
[Personal aside: I get the feeling this is more Kirk's Federation than
Picard's...]

"It got messy..." Dames said, but then he warned us, "we're missing a lot
of this, about 20%." For example, PSI TECH is uncertain how the Federation
moved the Martians, whether it was through time (which they seem to be
capable of now) or just waiting it out. He did say that they wanted to
bring the survivors here, to Earth, but "somebody already had a plan for
this planet," it was already somebody else's garden way back then...

Some of the adult Martians are still enchambered in a controlled
environment, he said. Some are here on Earth; some are still back on Mars;
and others are in a "goop" that sustains them and into which their wastes
filter. Some of the Martians are upset about the gooped ones because they
have been in the goop so long (150 million years?) that they've totally
changed in the horrid conditions and can now only communicate
telepathically. One can imagine; the remote viewers did not enjoy seeing
this, it made some of them physically sick.

Here on earth, though, the gravity is hard on the Martians. While they can
live with it, they are unable to reproduce. The rescuers have been making
hybrids to save what they can. The adults, then, are Martians, but their
children are hybrids. Dames foresees hybrids helping/working with humans
and eventually returning to Mars to open the catacombs to see what their
ancestors looked like.

So, "Mars is super important." The moon is used as a transit point,
something like a parking garage. "The moon is where the hardware is
kept."He suggested a closer study of videos taken of the moon's surface
(like the ones a Japanese astronomer took of an object crossing the
moon's face). At the TREAT Conference, when asked about greys, he mentioned
that the moon was about the only place PSI TECH had seen them, in the
"parking garages."

Site Two is apparently where the Federation is arranging the meeting with
these Martians and hybrids, and it is also in New Mexico. When we asked,
"Why here?" Dames pointed out the scientific laboratories located in the
state. [In the June 18 "Albuquerque Journal", there was a headline about
the suggested building of a laboratory to study the Mystery Disease. More
scientific minds that could be turned to helping the Martians?
Interesting...]

At the beginning of the interview, Dames gave us a little background about
PSI TECH's remote viewing (RVing). Their targets are largely scientific and
technological. For example, the US military has deep space platforms, a
series of satellites, that watch for rocket launches. The office that
controlled the DSPs asked PSI TECH to look into the "things" (upwards of
five at a time) that were coming to Earth from _behind_ (i.e., outer space)
past the DSPs. Dames also mentioned that there have been many UFO
intrusions over military bases and nuclear weapons storage depots; the
purpose: apparently keeping track of nuclear weapons. He has talked to
military personnel off the record about this.


Our next questions involved, as might be expected, the Taos Hum. Had PSI
TECH looked into it? Naturally! Dames told us that it seems to be caused by
a device that is alien in nature. He suggested that rather than accoustical
measuring devices, investigators should take magnetometers (to measure
changes in magnetic fields). Devices that can be used locally (as opposed
to those that measure large areas for big maps) are preferable. The sound
seems to be at 17 hz. He mentioned modulated gravity fields and said they
are generated by a solid device. He drew a quick sketch of it; it is
underground. It's purpose? It appears to be a time beacon: a rounded
triangular device with toruses on top. The toruses cause the hum,
generating a pulse that heads out into space. Why? Time traveling aliens
use it as a guide post. They sense the pulse of gravity it is creating. We
failed to ask why it is so noticeable suddenly. Any guesses?

He mentioned that his mentor, Ingo Swann ("Everybody's Guide to Natural
ESP") will have a new book out this July, "Nostradamus Factor". Another
author he suggested we look for was Prof. James Deardorff. This scientist,
Dames said, was right on, he "hit the nail on the head" in his thoughts and
writings about alien subjects. Dames showed us photocopies of two Dear-
dorff articles and I noted down the particulars for those who have access
to a college library: "Journal of Radio Astronomy", 1986 (24) 94 - 101 and
"Journal of the British Interplanetary Society", V40, 373-79 , 1987.

Since cattle mutilations are making big news now (at least in UFO interest
circles), we asked about them. Dames said that PSI TECH has spot checked
them. They have seen a small, remotely operated vehicle that jolts a
subject cow with electricity, killing it. It takes samples, vaporizing
them in the process. Why? The samples are "base-line bioassays", PSI TECH
has foreseen nuclear plant accidents in Eastern Europe due to deteriorating
plant conditions and poorly (or not) paid workers. He could (but didn't)
tell us the exact part that will break in one plant. Thus, the bioassays
from around the world are for before and after the radioactive accidents.

Hey, we said, if aliens know this is going to happen, why don't they stop
it? Dames believes the aliens won't let us get into a nuclear war (again,
they know where the weapons are), but as for accidents, well, they teach us
something. (He has since mentioned that such trials/accidents give us an
opportunity to develop Character; depending on an outside force to save
us wouldn't do that.) (Star Trek's "non-interferrence" directive at work
here.)

Green fireballs became a brief topic of conversation: They are artifacts of
UFOs' movement through time, He showed us a drawing showing how it might
happen. The sighting itself is like the sonic boom. The _sound isn't the
jet, it's just an artifact. We catch sight of UFOs moving through time.
Dames grinned and described what it was like to be in a UFO, for example
watching Gulf Breezers on the lookout. A set of humans are on the beach on
Wednesday, then there's a different bunch on Tuesday , and still a
different group on Monday... To the humans the UFO may seem to move a bit
but we see it only briefly, in three dimensions; that they're traveling
through time faster than we are doesn't occur to us.

What's so interesting about Gulf Breeze? Aliens are mining potash/potas-
sium destined for Mars. "They wave at us as they go back through time to
get it."

How about Area 51? All the UFOs at Area 51 are actually made by humans. The
Aurora-type crafts fascinate Dames (to this reporter he sounded proud of
U.S. capabilities).

The government and UFOs. The implication was that the government does
indeed have information on UFOs like pictures, but that the information has
been gathered while in the process of looking at other things. Agencies
have "collection priorities,"i.e., getting information about Iran or
Cuba. While watching what's on the priority list , UFOs are seen and
that... irrelevant information is put somewhere else.


MJ-12? Well, Project Blue Book ran out of leads to explain what was being
seen, what was happening. At a high level, those in charge of security
feared for their jobs. They realized that UFOs weren't Russian. They
suspected that civilian scientists could have information they needed, but
they couldn't ask out right (readers may recall Stanton Friedman explaining
how various organizations hold their information close, only to discover
that sharing it could have speeded things up, saved money, etc). So to lure
out that private information, official-looking documents were made up,
broken to the public and the reaction was monitored. MJ-12: Real documents,
fake contents...

As for Ed Dames himself, he told us that when he was young he was
fascinated by people like Ivan Sanderson. At that age, strange things
would fascinate and attract him, "I couldn't figure it out." But "If
you're not loosing sleep, you're not alive." Recently he mentioned that
now he sees the majesty of the whole thing, "It's worth pursuing."

He appreciates groups like MUFON and others as well as serious, sincere re-
searchers. He suggested that they might want to engage in good
photoanalysis of the videos of odd things seen on the moon, since that
capability is increasing. Perhaps the reader has seen the videos made by
a Japanese astronomer.

In Your Reporter's Opinion..

This two-part article synopsizes what we talked about in that all-too-brief
meeting. It was a lot of fun and I hope that Ed Dames remains in the field
so we can do it again. As you may recall, he has said that if the Big Event
(which should be the beginning of a series of events) hadn't happened by
the end of August he was getting out of the UFO business.

But, as I've been asked, is he for real? I don't know. In my mind, though,
he's got several things going for him:

Remote viewing is not a one-person-only phenomenon (i.e:, Ramtha et
al). See Ingo Swann's book; or look into what John Alexander and others
are doing.

Skilled remote viewers, to my way of thinking, must learn to know _what
being right feels like_, even when what they're looking at can't be easily
verified (such as what happened to the Russian probe of Mars). PSITECH
guarantees certain amounts of its work 100%, money back. That impresses me.

Dames also moved here to be closer to The Big Event. Moving ones entire
household and business is not simple, and certainly business was easier to
conduct in Maryland, nearer the centers of power, than it is out here in
the desert, as great a place to live as this is.

And, maybe the biggest factor in my mind, for all this UFO and other fasci-
nating information , Ed Dames hasn't asked us for any money. True, we've
given him a lot of free publicity, but if The Big Event fizzles out..

I hope it doesn't. Seeing paradigms change for the better in my own life
time would be great.

** End **

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